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  • ```islam aur dehshat gardi```

    This is a discussion on ```islam aur dehshat gardi``` within the Al-Quran & Hadith - The Islam part of the Islam Forum category of Urdu Poetry / Shayari | Islamic Art | Al-Quran & Hadith | Book Download | Gup Shup & more, Originally Posted by Inam beshak wo reyasatii dehshatgerdii he, leykin yahan chunke islam ka dusare mazahib se taqabala peysh kia ja raha he, aor church ... tags: ahmed, allah, article, baat, duniya

      
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      Quote Originally Posted by Inam View Post
      beshak wo reyasatii dehshatgerdii he, leykin yahan chunke islam ka dusare mazahib se taqabala peysh kia ja raha he, aor church k mazalim ginwaye ja rahe hein, to insaaf ka taqasa ye he k ham apne qarebanon mein bhi jhank k dekhein k ham kia ker rahe hein.
      aaj aap aik baat to mujhy bata hi de daien k jab bhi kabhi islaam ka dosry mazahib se taqabul kiya jay aap ki sari hamdardiyan yahood o nisara aur degar mazahib k sath hi kiuon hoti hain aur aap k insaf ki hiss serf muslmaano ki hi khamiyon ko bareek beeni se kiuon dekhti hy. aur ye theek hy khuch muslims duniya main islaam ka ghalat taswur ka baes ban rahay hain likin is ka ye matlab bhi hargiz naheen k islaam main koi fault hy. aur mundarja bala mazmoon main islaam ka taqabul kiya gaya hy degar mazhib k sath muslims ka naheen?
       

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      Quote Originally Posted by Chanchal View Post
      aaj aap aik baat to mujhy bata hi de daien k jab bhi kabhi islaam ka dosry mazahib se taqabul kiya jay aap ki sari hamdardiyan yahood o nisara aur degar mazahib k sath hi kiuon hoti hain aur aap k insaf ki hiss serf muslmaano ki hi khamiyon ko bareek beeni se kiuon dekhti hy. aur ye theek hy khuch muslims duniya main islaam ka ghalat taswur ka baes ban rahay hain likin is ka ye matlab bhi hargiz naheen k islaam main koi fault hy. aur mundarja bala mazmoon main islaam ka taqabul kiya gaya hy degar mazhib k sath muslims ka naheen?
      agar aap yeh kahna charahi hain ke mazhab ko mazhab se comapre kiya jaey to phir humko islam ko christinity se compare karna hoga. jo kuch eisaeon ne kiya hai zaroori nahin ke woh unkay mazhab ke ahkamat main se ho. jaisay ke jo kuch musalman kartay hain zaroori nahin woh islam ke ahkamat main se ho. hamko dekhna hoga ke america jo kuch bhi kar raha hai kiya woh kahin bible main hai ya woh apni marzi se kar raha hai. yeh religions ka comparison hoga.

      hamko musalmano ki khamiyin ko bareek beeni se kiyon dekhna chaey kiyon ke hum jis cheez ko bahtar banana chatay hain ya mantay hain usko napnay kay liey sub se ooncha meyar muqarrar kartay hain isi waja se islam ke hamdard islam ke dushmano ki buraiyan nazar andaz kar saktay hain magar musalmano ki nahin.

      islam ka aik asool yeh bhi hai ke insaf kartay waqt ye na dekho ke samnay walay ka rang, mazhab ya qoum kaunsi hai.
       

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      Quote Originally Posted by Chanchal View Post
      aaj aap aik baat to mujhy bata hi de daien k jab bhi kabhi islaam ka dosry mazahib se taqabul kiya jay aap ki sari hamdardiyan yahood o nisara aur degar mazahib k sath hi kiuon hoti hain aur aap k insaf ki hiss serf muslmaano ki hi khamiyon ko bareek beeni se kiuon dekhti hy. aur ye theek hy khuch muslims duniya main islaam ka ghalat taswur ka baes ban rahay hain likin is ka ye matlab bhi hargiz naheen k islaam main koi fault hy. aur mundarja bala mazmoon main islaam ka taqabul kiya gaya hy degar mazhib k sath muslims ka naheen?
      Yahii to hamara ghalat andaz he tajzeya kerna ka. Ham islam ko peysh kerte hein aor saath mein ye bhi kehte hein k islam ko musalmanon k amal se na perkhein, leykin jab dusare mazahib pe tanqeed kerte hein to un ki ghalatii un k mananene walon k amal se zahir kerte hein jesa k is mazmoon mein kia geya he.
       

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      Quote Originally Posted by Inam View Post
      Yahii to hamara ghalat andaz he tajzeya kerna ka. Ham islam ko peysh kerte hein aor saath mein ye bhi kehte hein k islam ko musalmanon k amal se na perkhein, leykin jab dusare mazahib pe tanqeed kerte hein to un ki ghalatii un k mananene walon k amal se zahir kerte hein jesa k is mazmoon mein kia geya he.
      aPP NAI OR mUNDA KHI NAI SAHEKAHA HAI But yahaan yah bhe dekhain kai Aghar hum Yahood or Nasara ki ya on kai mazahab ki baat kartai hain to Ajj On Ka mazhab Mumal tor par change ho chuka hai or wo apnai is Change shuda mazhab ko he Apna deen kahtai hain to Jub hum Baat kartai hain to on kai change shuda mazhab ki he baat kartai hain @};-
       

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      Quote Originally Posted by Irfan View Post
      aPP NAI OR mUNDA KHI NAI SAHEKAHA HAI But yahaan yah bhe dekhain kai Aghar hum Yahood or Nasara ki ya on kai mazahab ki baat kartai hain to Ajj On Ka mazhab Mumal tor par change ho chuka hai or wo apnai is Change shuda mazhab ko he Apna deen kahtai hain to Jub hum Baat kartai hain to on kai change shuda mazhab ki he baat kartai hain @};-
      mein mazhab ya nazreyat per tanqeed kerne ki baat nahein ker raha...aik asool ki baat ker raha hon...jis peymane per dusaron ko perkha jaaye ussi peymane per khud ko bhi tol ker dekhna chaheye.
       

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      Quote Originally Posted by Inam View Post
      mein mazhab ya nazreyat per tanqeed kerne ki baat nahein ker raha...aik asool ki baat ker raha hon...jis peymane per dusaron ko perkha jaaye ussi peymane per khud ko bhi tol ker dekhna chaheye.
      chalain App PeyManai bhe use kar lain @};-


      chand Yahodi jo kai Army Training kai bandai thai on kai Agwa par Aik dosrai mulak par Hamla kar daina Inssaf hai :-? or UN ka os par koe Action na laina ya na lainai daina ? Afganishtan par sirf aik Usama kai laey Attack karna or os ko mukmal Tabah kar daina ? Iraq par Aik Saddam kai Laey Attack karna ?

      Ba Hasiayat Qaoum ya mazhab Aghar app dekhain to Muslmano nai wo re action show he nahe keya Jo kai Mazi main ekya jata raha hai @};- Utha kar dekh lain Muslmano ki Tarikh chand Refrance daita hoon kai shahid app ko yaad aajaey @};-

      App (S.A.W) nai Apnai Akhari waqat main Aik Laskhar Tayyar karnai ka Hukam deya tha Kiyon deya tha ?

      Gazi Sallah uddian ki Tarikh parhain or Muhammad Bin Qassim nai sindh par Hamla kiyon keya tha ?

      Bhai baat yah hai kai Hum sai zeyada Ajj wo re action show kartai hain Apnai oper honai walai mazalim kai Khilaf or hum sirf dekhtai he rehtai hain or phir bhe hum he bad naam hain @};-

      haan chand sar phirai hain jo umat kai kuch na karnai par khud he karnai nikal jatai hain or hum in batoon sai Anjaan hain kai on ki back par Asal kahani keya hote hai hum to bus media par suntai hain kai Falaan nai yah keya or hum or humarai Hukmran bus os ki muzmat kartai hain @};- warna kis ko pata kai khudkash bomb blast kis nai keya or is ki back par kon hai
       

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      Quote Originally Posted by Irfan View Post
      warna kis ko pata kai khudkash bomb blast kis nai keya or is ki back par kon hai
      yeh baat bohet hed tek sahi he, ajj hamara media kissi kabil nahi aur jeb dastaan dosroon ke media se pohche gi to woh appni policies ko hi promote kerain ge. Kudkush hamle aur Usma bin laden bhi unhi ke media ki dali hovi dastanain hain. Musulmanoon ki sari tareegh gaweh he woh kabhi zalim nahi rahe ..........
       

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      Quote Originally Posted by Inam View Post
      Yahii to hamara ghalat andaz he tajzeya kerna ka. Ham islam ko peysh kerte hein aor saath mein ye bhi kehte hein k islam ko musalmanon k amal se na perkhein, leykin jab dusare mazahib pe tanqeed kerte hein to un ki ghalatii un k mananene walon k amal se zahir kerte hein jesa k is mazmoon mein kia geya he.
      ji aap ny bilkul theek kaha aur us ki aik wajha hy aur bari thos wajha hy shayed aap ki aqal bhi usy taslaam kary. aur wo wajah ye hy k hum jiss deen ko mannay waly hain wohi sucha deen hy aur yehi hamara imaan (aqeeda ) hy . aur is imaan ka taqaza bhi yehi hy k dunia main jitny bhi mazahib hain islaam k sewa unko ghalat tasleem kiya jay kiuonk un main tehreef hochuki hy , jab tuk aap ye tasleem naheen karty k duniya main serf deen e islaam hi kamil aur akmal deen hy mery khiyal main aap ka imaan kamil naheen hota balk yahaan main khoon gi k sery se imaam main dakhil hi na huy aap. kiuon k imaan naam hy aqeedy ka aur aqeeda naam hy kisi tswur par mazbotise jum jany ka .jab aap muslim hoty huy ye bhi samjheen k essaiyon ka deen bhi theek hy aur yahodiyon ka bhi saheeh hy to mery khiyal main aap apny aqeedy main tazabzub ka shikar hain aur jab aqeedy main tazbzub ho to ....aap khud hi janty hain k aysi halat ko kaya kaha jasakta hy? issi liye hum jab muslim, s par tanqeed karty hain to un k deen par naheen balk aamal par karty hain kiuon k deen k aytabar se to wo perfect hain bus aamal main zara kamzori dekha dety hain. aur jab degar mazahib par tanqeed karty hain to un k deen par bhi aur aamal par bhi kiuon k wo deen k aytabar se to hoty hi ghalat hain aur kabhi kabhi apny aamall k aytbar se bhi ghalat hojay hain mery khiyal se ab aap ko is peymany ki samjh aagai ho gi....
       

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      Quote Originally Posted by Inam View Post
      Mera ishara israel mein khudkush hamlon, aor Usama bin ladin k garoh ki karvayon ki taraf he. Khud kush hamle jo hamas ne israel k khilaaf shuru keye wo waze tor per dehshatgerdii ki zemre mein aate hein.
      Aor ye yaad rahe k Hamas ki fikri leadership is ko darust kheyal kertii he. Issi terha jo karvaeyan Usama bin ladin k garoh se mansoob ki jaatii hein, maslan amrici sivarat khane per hamla aor twin tours ki tabaye, usama bin ladin ki taraf se kabhii in ilzamaat ki terdeed nahein aaye. which makes him suspecious. On the other hand he has declared open war against US, he had trained and probably is training people to use them against US establishment. He had even once stated that destroying US civilian territories and killing them is not wrong.
      these two groups are the major factors in projecting the bad image of islam.
      آپ کا اشارہ ، کنایہ اور زبان ہمیشہ یہودیوں کے مظالم کی بجائے ان کو مظلوم ثابت کرنے کے لئے استعمال ہوتی ہے۔میں نے آپ کے اسی بات کا جواب ایک جگہ پر دیا تھا کہ اسرائیل میں کوئی یہودی بے گناہ نہیں ہے اس لئے کہ اسرائیل کے قانون کے مطابق ہر شہری کے لئے فوجی تربیت لینا لازمی ہے اور کسی تربیت یافتہ دشمن کو مارنا بے گناہ کو مارنا صرف آپ کا ہی منطق ہوسکتا ہے۔ کسی ذی شعور انسان کا نہیں۔
      خودکش حملہ ایک انتہائی کمزور پوزیشن کا آئینہ دار ہے جب مظلوم کے لئے اپنی دفاع کا کوئی اور راستہ نظر نہ آئے تو پھر مجبوراً اپنے ساتھ دشمن کے کچھ لوگوں کو مروانا ہی وہ اپنا فرض سمجھتا ہے۔
      آپ نے کہا کہ اسامہ بن لادن حفظہ اللہ نے نائن الیون کے واقعے کی تردید نہیں ک ہے تو یہ آپ کی کم علمی ہے انھوں نے اس واقعہ کے فوراً بعد یہ ریمارکس دیئے تھے کہ "میرا اس واقعے سے کوئی تعلق نہیں ہے لیکن جس نے بھی یہ کیا بالکل ٹھیک کیا ہے"۔
      آج تک امریکہ نے ان باتوں کے جواب کیوں نہیں دیئے کہ اس واقعے کہ دن چار ہزار یہودی ان بلڈنگز سے کیوں غیر حاضر تھے؟ اس واقعہ کی چاروں طرف سے ویڈیو فلمیں کیسے تیار ہوگیئں؟ کیا کسی کو پہلے سے اس واقعہ کا علم تھا کہ کیمرے پہلے سے چاروں طرف نسب تھیں؟
      ارے امریکہ کے وکیل! اب تو خود وہ لوگ بھی اس بات کے قائل ہوگئے ہیں کہ یہ سب ڈرامہ تھا جس کو امریکہ کے تھنک ٹینک نے تحریر کیا اور کچھ یہودی فلمسازوں نے پروڈیوس کیا اور کرداروں کے لئے کچھ مسلمان خودکش حملہ آوروں کو استعمال کیا گیا۔
       

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      Quote Originally Posted by Chanchal View Post
      ji aap ny bilkul theek kaha aur us ki aik wajha hy aur bari thos wajha hy shayed aap ki aqal bhi usy taslaam kary. aur wo wajah ye hy k hum jiss deen ko mannay waly hain wohi sucha deen hy aur yehi hamara imaan (aqeeda ) hy . aur is imaan ka taqaza bhi yehi hy k dunia main jitny bhi mazahib hain islaam k sewa unko ghalat tasleem kiya jay kiuonk un main tehreef hochuki hy , jab tuk aap ye tasleem naheen karty k duniya main serf deen e islaam hi kamil aur akmal deen hy mery khiyal main aap ka imaan kamil naheen hota balk yahaan main khoon gi k sery se imaam main dakhil hi na huy aap. kiuon k imaan naam hy aqeedy ka aur aqeeda naam hy kisi tswur par mazbotise jum jany ka .jab aap muslim hoty huy ye bhi samjheen k essaiyon ka deen bhi theek hy aur yahodiyon ka bhi saheeh hy to mery khiyal main aap apny aqeedy main tazabzub ka shikar hain aur jab aqeedy main tazbzub ho to ....aap khud hi janty hain k aysi halat ko kaya kaha jasakta hy? issi liye hum jab muslim, s par tanqeed karty hain to un k deen par naheen balk aamal par karty hain kiuon k deen k aytabar se to wo perfect hain bus aamal main zara kamzori dekha dety hain. aur jab degar mazahib par tanqeed karty hain to un k deen par bhi aur aamal par bhi kiuon k wo deen k aytabar se to hoty hi ghalat hain aur kabhi kabhi apny aamall k aytbar se bhi ghalat hojay hain mery khiyal se ab aap ko is peymany ki samjh aagai ho gi....
      agar aap ne merii baat pe ghor kia hota to itni lambi taqreer jharne ki zarurat na thii....
      Is mazmoon ki buneyadii khaamii ye he k islam ko aman pasand mazhab sabit kerne k leye Islam k asal maghiz se wo asool beyan keye gaye hein jo islam ko aman pasand deen sabit kerte hein...leykin is ka taqabul bajaye dusare nazreyat aor mazahab k asoolon se kia jata, un k manane walon k amal se kia ja raha he. Mukhtasar lafzon mein mazmoon nigar ye keh raha he k hamara deen to bohat aman pasand he, leykin tum dekho, tum keya ker rahe ho. Ye he wo ghalat andaz e tanqeed jo mein samgane ki koshish ker raha hon. Ab bhi agar meri baat na samag aaye ho to kaheye mein mazeed wazahat ker don ?
       

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